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#561 Сообщение Любовь » 26 фев 2015, 23:59

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Omer sees Elif hugging Levent ... This is his jealous face ... In same time camera moves Omer holding Yagiz's hand he brought 5 years old to adult party ..,5 years old who is belongs to his ex fiancé .. I had a hard time understand this scenes ... This is to me slapping Elif on the face with disrespect again Ömer's part ... He can not even handle Elif talking to Levent ... But he does himself opposite of what Elif never done to him ... I am sorry but Omer character got confused here again ...
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#562 Сообщение tina.k » 27 фев 2015, 11:54

Любовь писал(а):С ФБ:
Абсолютно согласна с этим мнением, мы и сами уже не раз подчеркивали, что сцена выглядела настолько нарочитой, притянутой за уши, что даже неудобно за нас, зрителей, неприятно, что тебя считают настолько недалеким, что думают, будто ты "схаваешь" все это месиво qa qa qa
Ну почему нельзя было "дать Элиф увидеть", что Омер сблизился с малышом, например, у них дома, на прогулке к розовому дому, да на том же стадионе? Пусть бы это селфи в его телефоне увидела, что ли... было бы более правдоподобно.
Но притащить малого на взрослую вечеринку поздно ночью? Глупость полная! Да он бы в жизни просто позвонил бы Элиф и объяснил бы, что не может прийти, вот и все... И все семейство его спокойно осталось бы дома сидеть, только Хуся с теткой остались бы "ждать невод с золотою рыбкой у разбитого корыта" :-D
НО!!! Тогда Аслы не упала бы в торт - разве можно было отказаться от такой выигрышной юмористической сцены, такой оригинальной режиссерской находки? А-ха-ха-ха-ха... ff ff В Турции, наверное, произошло землетрясение в среду ночью - от хохота, сотрясавшего всю Турцию от этой сцены qa qa qa :unos: :unos:

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#563 Сообщение элиза » 28 мар 2015, 01:37

Пост Лёли
Я внимательно прочла. Как всегда , согласна с тобой. Вот это они , СЦ, всех достали, даже тебя, самую сдержанную из нас.
Ты права, фильма - набор эпизодов, ни фига не логичных, характеры уродливо изломаны. Такая боль пронзает нас всех, потому мы и ссоримся порой и обижаем друг друга. Хочется воскликнуть как кот Леопольд.... :-D
Актер - зависимая профессия, об этом много говорят обычно. Он инструмент для воплощения замысла сценаристов, режиссеров. Словно он и не живой...Но Энгин живой. Он офигительно талантливый. Мы сто раз, тысячу раз, миллион раз сказали и еще скажем об этом. И я смотрю этот сериал из-за него. Без него меня он не интересовал бы. Разве я как зритель виновата в том, что те, кто рулит сериком, ставят себе низменные задачи? Разве я виновата в том, что создаю себе гармоничный мир, наполненный добром и светом? Разве плохо хотеть жить в теплом мире, овеянном добром, а не в зловонной жиже карапарщины? Разве плохо любить человека за талант? Я Энгина люблю за талант! И на что мне смотреть тут, в этом серике, если есть только эпизоды , в которых раскрывается талант то одного актера, то другого.... Но Энгин и его очередная роль интересуют меня больше всего. И потому я здесь, на форуме, посвященном ему, а не на другом инетском пространстве. И потому его Омер сейчас для меня "предмет тщательного изучения".))) С первой серии я слежу за тем, как Энгин наполняет этого героя жизнью, как он старается сохранить цельность образа в тех невыносимых условиях разбитого злыми троллями зеркала. Осколки разлетелись по всему миру, попали в глаза ....а многие того и не почувствовали. Но я буду смотреть на этот шедевр искусства при свете совести))) при свете таланта Энгина, человека, которого я безмерно уважаю и люблю, потому что он меня пока не разочаровал и не отпустил, не бросил мое сердце на съедение собакам.
Его Омер не идеал...и пусть! Он цельный как монолит, внутренних противоречий этот человек не знает, как Мустафа Булут))) Он не решает, какой он: белый или черный, он прямолинеен...он подвержен сильным эмоциям, которые выплескивает как вулкан.... Он увлекающийся, честный, порой настолько честный, что его можно легко обвести вокруг пальца. Сильный ли он? Пожалуй, да. Ответственный и совестливый. И этого всего так в нем много, что.... Он способен на сочувствие, порой сочувствие к одному челу заслоняет у него другого, но в этом логика этого непростого характера. Этот характер не так многогранен, как предыдущие, но не перестает от этого быть интересным. А такие люди полутонов не признают, потому что негибкие. Они ломаются как....как...металл при сильном морозе))) Не забывайте, что все это в турецком исполнении))) И вот эту цельность характера актер сохранил в очень непростых условиях. Сейчас я вижу это так.
И опять срабатывает извечное, энгиновское, в каждом герое увидеть человека, полюбить его и вернуть зрителю живым и трепетным. Как бы был не прав Омер, Энгин играет его так, что поворачивает меня лицом к нему, раскрывает мою душу для сочувствия этому человеку. Повторяется история с Мустафой, хотя Булут не в пример сложнее и как характер, и как образ. И я на стороне Омера, не смотря ни на что! Потому что он говорит: " и я ваш брат, я - человек". И пусть некоторые оставят свои инсинуации нижних чакров себе (Маричка, это не тебе, упаси Бог)
Почему я написала все это в посте, обращенном тебе? Так вышло. Твое глубокое уважение к Энгину, интерес к его работам всем тут известен. И ты затронула тему именно создания фильма.)))
Как бы я хотела оставаться бесстрастным зрителем! Не пускаться в критику образов!))) Но эта тема создана именно для этого дела.
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#564 Сообщение marytza » 28 апр 2015, 21:27

после долгого молчания Мери Ем с Универсала написала этот очень интересный, помоему, коментар к 43-ом епизоде:

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I haven’t been writing any commentary about the series for a long time. Of course, hectic pace of life is one of the biggest factors on that. But, the real reason is that I am tired of criticizing and writing negative commentaries. However, I’ve always wanted to be able to write commentary that I could describe actors’ successes, their chemistry with each other, and my admiration towards them with a tinge of minor negative things in the scenario that draw my attention and that I could support with poems. But, it hasn’t happened. Growing number of problems in the series, mistakes that have kept snowballing, bad directing, and increasing underperformance of the actors except for 3 or 4 of them made it difficult for me to watch the series, let alone write something about it. I lost my appetite and I didn’t want to make you lose your appetite with my articles. In fact, I love sharing my thoughts by writing, reading your negative or positive comments about it, exchanging ideas as much as I love watching the series or the actor that I love. I care about it because it helps us know and understand each other. When my friends from different countries tell me things like “I learn about your culture” or “I didn’t get this part before but now I understood it better after reading your commentary”, I feel on top of the world. Therefore, the series heading south, hence not being able to write anything about it, took this great joy away. Furthermore, it is also fun and very educating to see your different reactions to different scenes. Even though I get mad at and ask myself what I am doing at fan pages, I have to confess that it helped me know different cultures, very nice people and see how people can see things differently. This is a priceless experience for me. Therefore, I owe you a big “thank you.” You’vehelped me grow a lot.
Of course, there were things that I didn’t share although I wanted to during this period and many of them have already lost their actuality. I wanted to share many things but then I hardly held myself back. However, there is something that I have been observing quite some time and it disturbs me a lot. I had to share it with you since I couldn’t ignore it anymore: that is the increasing act of violence that they keep showing like it is a very normal thing.
Although I grumble about the writers, joking that “they are the goddesses of TV series”, they are actually the goddesses of the TV series in a way. The personalities of the characters, their behaviors, pasts, and futures are at their fingertips. Everything depends on them. You can go ahead and make reasoning or try to guess what is going to happen all you want, but they can develop the story counterintuitively and cause the events take an unimaginable direction. You have to accept this no matter how ridiculous it may seem. A character that has risen to a god or goddess position in one episode can easily be tumbled down in the next one; your angel can turn into a devil or vice versa. That is, they rule the series. Maybe, people must be given a chance to write a scenario just to be able to experience this power. Maybe, this power blinds the writers so much that they don’t care the logic or people’s reactions anymore. But, this is not a healthy thing. People who address or affect crowds should act responsibly. By sprinkling a couple of well-known slogans noteworthy as social responsibility in between, you can’t be deemed as you did your part or reversed the damage done.
True; our country has been going through very abnormal days. Our judicial system and laws as we know them have been eradicated. Everybody talks about violence butusing the same violence and lawlessness in the series by hiding behind this and normalizing these things are very dangerous and wrong.
As we mentioned earlier, the writers are the goddesses of the series and the future of a character is at their fingertips. Another goddess has become the victim of these goddesses in this episode; and that was our perfect heroine Elif whom they almost sacralized.
Many viewers got angry with Elif’s behaviors and they were very disappointed; therefore, they reacted negatively. Of course, they were right. Elif, settling in their home which Elif and Omer created together and Omer considered sacred, easily allowed a man whom she had known that he liked her all along to enter that house. Furthermore, she allowed that man get closer to her although she didn’t have any feelings for him. She betrayed her real love with her behaviors. Much as the other man was a chancer, she also unnecessarily gave him hope and encouraged him. Of course, she was right to be mad at Omer; but should a proud character like Elif who has been portrayed as strong, sensitive, intelligent, and go-getter person who can empathize with everybody, behave like that? Of course, she shouldn’t. First of all, she was very wrong to leave her old house to settle in her new house during a period in which her sister started remembering everything and didn’t feel good. Proud Elif shouldn’t have visited that house at all. Strong Elif shouldn’t have wandered around with dull stares during the entire episode. Protective Elif should have been with her sisters in their home. This list kept growing and many people rightfully criticized Elif. A perfect heroine image of Elif shattered into pieces with that single scene.
I’ve waited for someone to criticize Elif for another important thing, get mad at the writers and show some reaction. But, we all talked about the love and cheating aspect of this situation and criticized Elif and the scenario from that perspective. In my opinion, none of us talked about the real important issue here because violence and disregarding ethical values had been normalized, slowly worked on and shown as if they were usual things. Love, lust and a single kiss were valued above everything. Didn’t they present us Fatih, who was nothing but a lust, as a romantic prince because of his affair with Nilufer by making us forget his all sins, crimes, and dark sides? Furthermore, didn’t they show this couple’s passion down our throats time to time to display the lack of passion in Omer and Elif’s relationship and didn’t they make them heroes? Didn’t they show the bad character’s past, poverty, and isolation as an excuse for his crimes?Even more, didn’t they give ourarabesque* brother’s love for Svetlana, another criminal, as an excuse for getting himself into crime. [Translator’s note: arabesque is a subculture that reflects the life style of people who take a backseat in the city life (especially in Istanbul) because of hardships and being looked down.]While crying for his brother and enjoying raki, pilaki, and fish, didn’t they expect us to empathize with him? The bad kept being bad since he was protective. Elif’s father died and was declared innocent. Furthermore, the empire he built with dirty money got out of that swamp somehow and Elif, the new impress of that black money, proudly managed the company and, with other Denizer women, looked down on other people. And again, they expected us to accept this degeneration sauced with alleged unconditional loves, nice words, and hot kisses. They wanted it; it has been accepted by the audience, and therefore, it was normalized. In the last episode, while viewers rightfully showed negative reaction when Elif’s disrespectful attitude for her love bothered them; the same viewers stood in ovation for Omer’s violent behaviors full of fists and yelling as a result of the violence which they made us accept. In fact, neither Omer’s fists have deserved this ovation nor Elif’s sins were over.
At this point, I expected to hear the same harsh criticism for Elif’s attack with scissors. But, Elif easily got out of this attack which she performed in the prosecutor’s officein the prison without suffering any damage. Who knows, maybe this situation will get Elif into trouble in future episodes. I will be very surprised if Tayyar who has his ear to the ground don’t have a camera there. But, this is not the problem. The problem is nobody examines how a golden hearted, normal, and healthy person with value judgment like Elif can stick those scissors into someone else’s body whatever the reason that pushes her limits is. I find this very dangerous and alarming because I’ve always thought that a normal person who has those values that I described for Elif couldn’tgive the deathblow even if his/her life is in danger. I’ve always believed thatthe goodness in his/her heart or the value judgment that s/he had, his/her conscience and sin concept would build a huge wall between the tip of those scissors and the other person’s body or between the trigger of a gun and the tip of a finger. Average good people can’t stick those scissors into someone’s body, whoever that person is, and do stop at that last moment. But, Elif didn’t stop. And from my point of view, that perfect Elif character got the second and the biggest blow right at that moment. Well, when was the first blow then? Was it whether she let Levo enter the house or let him kiss her? Never… Elif got her first big blow in the last episode when she started cutting Yagiz’s hair like she was Edward Scissorhands. I know many people will get mad at me but unfortunately, the writers didn’t manage Elif character very well. My unlimited credit for her in the initial episodes and my hopes that she wouldgrow better ended with a huge disappointment. Therefore, these kinds of scenes go beyond their purpose and look funny and really ridiculous. And my real problem is not this either. My real problem is these ugly scenarios that they continue to write by using children; a character like Elif kept wondering who the father was and unethically fooled that innocent kid and cut his hair and unlawfully have DNA test done. This is called child exploitation and blatant disregard for child’s rights. Child exploitation is the most unallowable and unforgivable act in the world. Paternity and illegitimate child discussions done over Yagiz and Burhan and the situations that these kids are put into were the scenes that I could hardly watch and they broke my heart. You may say that this is just a scenario or it is not real but I can’t even stand to see these two beautiful kids playing in those scenes. I don’t know how they can stand this while writing or filming. I find these scenarios and discussions done over children very ugly and I am not able to accept them. I also can’t understand why this is a big issue for a modern and golden hearted woman like Elif. Maybe, many viewers can’t understand this, either. One of our foreign members asked me whether a man having a child from his prior relationship was a big problem in our culture. Based on her question, I would like to explain this a little. Although we look Western, our value judgment is Eastern. Although we have been struggling a lot to change this situation and have made some headway, burdens like honor or being accountable to other gender are always on women’s shoulders like in every Eastern culture. We don’t hold men accountable for their past relationships; but women have to answer to men about their past. Isn’t Elif a woman raised with Western values and called as “Signorina”? Therefore, our Western friends know the answer to this question better than us. Does a Western woman have a problem with her lover’s past relationships or his kid from his previous relationship?Oh wait!This wasn’t a problem, was it? Elif actually had a problem about Omer’s lying. Then why did she cut Yagiz’s hair? As you can see, Elif and Yagiz also got their share of these inconsistent and empty discourses you could hear everywhere in the series. Didn’t Omer already tell that Yagiz was his son? Then why all these tears after fake DNA report, visits for appearance sake to show her understanding, or her implications suggesting Omer to live in that house with Ipek? What’s that all about? This wasn’t about lying or trusting; it was all about jealousy. Although I don’t like this kind of jealous behaviors and do find Elif’s being jealous of Ipek or Omer’s being jealous of Levo very ridiculous and simple, I could have said that this was a cliché of a TV series and moved on. But, I can’t accept any reasoning for Elif going after Yagiz or for Yenge’s attitude towards Burhan. It breaks my heart to see Burhan like that. And I expect allegedly good people like Elif and Yenge to sincerely feel for Burhan or Yagiz; not to cut kid’s hair or scare a little kid by yelling bad words at him or to throw him out by grabbing his arm. The writers should think about and empathize with the characters they created. What would I do if I were Elif or Yenge? We, viewers, usually empathize with them and see things more humanely rather than professionally, therefore, we are not able to accept or tolerate some behaviors. Maybe, that’s why we can’t get along and find a middle point. But, doesn’t real professionalism require writing a scenario or a character by thinking more reasonable and realistic? Attention is the essential part of the respect you feel for the character you created, for your job, and for viewers.
It is very difficult for me to make peace with Elif after all these. And it is even harder now because of this messy scenario. In fact, if they could explain the character better, if actress’ interpretation of the character could be more realistic, a meaningful look or a mimic that penetrates through your heart could have helped you understand the character. However, beauty is not enough sometimes to open every door; you eventually hit the good talent wall.
People who read my previous articles would remember that I mostly criticized Omer rather than Elif. I told all kinds of things; like he is eating food with his mouth open, he is a macho and rude man, he cannot control his anger, he is an empty talk, etc. I am still behind my words. I was very sincere and I told the truth. But, even in those situations, Omer has never lost the good and ethical person in him. Above all, he always looked and cried beautifully and he was played well by the actor playing him; even though he was ignored and weakened by the writers time to time. Therefore, he attached us to this illogical scenario with an unbreakable bond.
While the series is about to end, they should pay more attention to these points. They should be more careful and responsible while writing and filming the series. They shouldn’t ignore the real reason behind why some viewers still keep watching the series. Those minds that don’t get it while they are in charge of writing, filming, and organizing the series, those eyes that don’t see the real acting and those ears that don’t hear those tuneless and discordant voices should at least check the crowd in front of the KPA set and hear their voice. The rest is just verbiage.
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#565 Сообщение tina.k » 28 апр 2015, 23:04

marytza писал(а):после долгого молчания Мери Ем с Универсала написала этот очень интересный, помоему, коментар к 43-ом епизоде
Да, очень интересно, только длинно!!! Если завтра кто-то не переведет, я постараюсь сделать перевод отдельных отрывков, которые касаются самого сериала и героев... ;)

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#566 Сообщение элиза » 28 апр 2015, 23:05

Спасибо, Марица.. Я думала, что Мери Эм бросила писать комментарии, потому что такой бред вряд ли нуждается в оценке .Единственное, что привязывает к сериалу, это актёр, работу которого ,даже в безобразном сериале мы наблюдаем.Все характеры в сериале страдают психическими отклонениями, они не могут быть реалистичными в таком сценарии.К тому же они скучны. В Пойразе Караэле действующие лица убийцы, маньяки, продажные женщины или пособницы психопатов, сам главный герой тоже убивает людей без суда и следствия и это нравится зрителям ff ff ff ff Они в восторге,потому что это хотя бы не скучно. fft ffhh ffhh
Но в Кара паре не только дикие вещи творятся с героями, но к тому же скука смертная. Ну, да ладно с сериалом, что стало со зрителями, теми, кто остался,они поддерживают и оправдывают Элиф, её безумных сестёр в их так называемой "безусловной любви" только потому, что им нравится украшения фирм . Мне кажется, что и зрители,которые без ума от Омера и Элиф, фальшивые, как и всё в этом сериале.. и тоже не в своём уме,раз умиляются идиотскими героями, а не возмущаются и не пишут писем с требованием избавить экран от подобных безобразий. :unos: :unos: :unos: :unos:
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#567 Сообщение marytza » 28 апр 2015, 23:13

tina.k писал(а):только длинно!!!
потому что долго молчала ))) излилась... ))))))))))
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#568 Сообщение Аля » 28 апр 2015, 23:19

элиза писал(а):Мне кажется, что и зрители,которые без ума от Омера и Элиф, фальшивые, как и всё в этом сериале.. и тоже не в своём уме,раз умиляются идиотскими героями...
:D :-D :D :-D :D
Элизонька сама того не ведая... Ты нам объяснила "скрытый" смысл названия... "ГРЯЗНОЙ И ОЧУМЕЛОЙ ЛЮБВИ"!!! jkjki

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#569 Сообщение marytza » 07 май 2015, 09:00

Хорошое обобщение 45-ой серии:

What a pity that such a promising series has ended up like this, a horror show....Cutting off legs, killing people all the time, corruption everywhere, criminals having a good time.....orphans and widows crying.....it's a shame the scriptkillers' sick imagination has found an unwilling audience! Where is this love we've been told about and expecting for 1 and a half year now? All I see is a man pushed to his limits all the time, all alone , comforting, caring, saving, protecting.....but in return what does he get? Pain, pain, pain, more pain.....Why didn't Elif comfort HIM, hug HIM when he needed it desperately? Why does he always have to be the one that helps and comforts others? Then I see Fatih, who has suffered in his life but still is a criminal, having a good time with his little wife and planning behind everyone's back and preparing revenge ...but at what expense? I don't know, I 'm unable to understand, maybe my IQ isn't enough to perceive what's inside the scriptkillers' heads.All I know is I'm disappointed ,frustrated, angry and disgusted! Enough is enough. ladies! Tonight's episode was too much! Disgusting, sick, horrible.Engin Akyurek is a magnificent actor, so you've decided to make him pay? Because this is how it looks like, you know he can cry and he can actually FEEL sad and you overdo it by writing sad scenes....We don't want to see him unhappy, devastated, a human wreck! We want to see his face smiling, his eyes sparkling, his face lit with joy! Do you know there are only about 7 eps to go and that you have to wrap things up? DO IT THEN! One more thing: stop forcing Tuba to cry, she can't do it, she's trying but is unable to do so..... it's a pity Engin had to act next to her because in such scenes when they have to give whatever they've got, she's too little compared to him......
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Re: ВПЕЧАТЛЕНИЯ ОТ ПРОСМОТРА СЕРИЙ

#570 Сообщение tina.k » 07 май 2015, 18:58

Перевод поста Марицы с отзывом о 45-й серии:

Как жаль, что такой перспективный сериал закончился вот так... как фильм ужасов... Отрезание ног, непрекращающиеся убийства, повсеместная коррупция, вольготно чувствующие себя преступники... плачущие вдовы и сироты... стыдно, что больное воображение сценаристок нашло невоьную зрительскую аудиторию! Где же та любовь, о которой нам рассказывали и которой мы ожидаем вот уже 1,5 года? Все, что я здесь вижу - человека, все время подталкиваемого обстоятельствами "на грань", оставшегося наедине со всем этим, успокаивающего, заботливого, спасающего, оберегающего... и что же он получает взамен? Боль, боль, боль, и еще больше боли... Почему Элиф не успокоила ЕГО, не обняла ЕГО, когда он так отчаянно в этом нуждался? Почему он всегда должен успокаивать и помогать другим? А потом я вижу Фатиха, который тоже всю жизнь страдал, но все еще остается преступником, развлекающимся со своей милой женушкой и строящим планы за спиной у других и готовящим месть... но за чей счет? Я не знаю, я не способна понять, возможно, мой IQ недостаточно высок, чтобы воспринимать то. что созревает в головах "убийц-сценаристок"? Но я точно знаю, что я разочарована, сердита, в отчаянии и мне противно! Довольно! Дамы! Сегодняшняя серия - это уже слишком. Омерзительная, тошнотворная, ужасающая. Энгин Акьюрек - великолепный актер, и вы решили заставить его заплатить за это? Именно так это выглядит - вы знаете, что у него хорошо получается плакать и "страдать", что он умеет по-настоящему "показать печаль" и вы воспользовались этим, сочиняя печальные сцены. Мы не хотим видеть его несчастным, раздавленным, человеком-развалиной! Мы хотим видеть его улыбку, его искрящиеся глаза, радость на его лице! Вы знаете, что остается каких-то 7 серий, а вам столько еще надо "разгрести". Так ДЕЛАЙТЕ ЭТО! И еще одно: перестаньте заставлять Тубу плакать, она не умеет, она очень старается, но у нее это не получается... как жаль, что Энгин вынужден играть с ней, потому что в таких сценах, когда они должны продемонстрировать все, на что способны, она выглядит слишком "мелкой" на его фоне...
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Re: ВПЕЧАТЛЕНИЯ ОТ ПРОСМОТРА СЕРИЙ

#571 Сообщение элиза » 12 май 2015, 23:43

Впечатления о 45 серии Джон Сильвер и сопливые полицейские
Гадко и может быть ещё Гаже!
John Silver and the snotty police officers
or: could nasty be even nastier?
Episode 45

(1) Opening scene. First of all, Pelin’s behaviour. I think, she was pretty stupid for a police officer. For five minutes and more she yelled at a person who was obviously unconscious, and kept asking “intelligent” questions like, “Elif, what happened here?” and “Elif, do you hear me?”. Very clever, indeed!

Then comes the behaviour of all the police teams at the crime scene toward Elif. Hello! She was not a dead body! She was a living human being! And nobody rushed toward her, nobody tried to restore her to consciousness, nobody tried to help her anyhow! They just “skipped” her, stepped over her, took her fingerprints, or gun, and that was all! And nobody came up with the idea to examine her blood to see if she was not under some drugs. Maybe because she didn’t look like drugged at all! I wonder… what did study these police officers at the Police Academy? Or did they study at the Police Academy from the movie of the same name?

If I were the Director of the Turkish Police Department, I would bring the film company to trial for lowering the reputation of the Turkish police officers! They seem extremely stupid, incompetent, and above all – corrupted! From this episode and the previous one I could make the conclusion that Ali and Huso were not the only “molehills” in the Department. It is full of them there! Even after the both scamps were thrown in jail, Tayyar bey keeps managing the Department undisturbed at all! Or how would you explain the fact that the new chief called the three devrem at the proper moment to leave Elif alone? Or the fact that Metin held copies of Elif’s arrest order, and of Huso’s death report? How come?

(2) The crying police officers. It is too much for me now! OK, this is a drama, I don’t forget that. But I think, everything went beyond all bounds! Isn’t it normal the police officers to be a little bit more tough, more reserved, more self-controlled? The point is that they jammed Engin into that rubbish, too! Even Kerim and Bulut, being far more tragic characters, were not forced to shed such a drowning amount of tears! Stop it, please! Engin is completely capable (I would say, marvelously capable) to express drama, tragedy and suffering! Will anybody, please, be so kind to convey that to the gentleman who is supposed to be a director of the series? So, he would leave Engin to act as he can.

(3) Cutting limbs. Terrrrrrrible! From now on to the last five episodes Huso will clatter with his wooden foot like Captain John Silver. But I think, that was not enough! They had to gouge one of his eyes, and put a black bandage across it… and maybe to put a parrot onto his shoulder? Here you are! A perfect reference to the world classics!

After this Steven-King-like scene a great question creeped into my mind… WHY? Why was it necessary to cut feet, after the doctor of the laboratory was bribed anyway? Even Metin has written the report personally?

Second great question – Where does have Super Meto such good medical knowledge from, to be able to write a medical report? Yes, I know, he is a son of his father, and his father-uncle is a famous self-educated virgin talent in medicine! But anyway… he needs to know some specific terms, taught exclusively at the university.

Taken overall, the idea of cutting feet was the top of the digustness and repulsiveness! And made me ask myself once again about the genre of the series. Are we moving to the horror slowly?

(4) Too much tears for Huso! Even more than the tears for Nalcali! Why, for God’s sake? Were all crying for their son, husband and father, and not for the corrupted policeman and murderer? But he was a son who almost choked his mother; an unfaithful husband; and a father who injured his children in a monstrous way! We have a saying, “For dead people only good or nothing” but I dislike it. Thirty episodes and more the authors tried hard to build Huseyn as the most disgusting and repulsive character in the series; they turned him into a human junk; they made us sick of him, and now… abrakadabra! He is forgiven! And he isn’t properly dead yet! For me, the only normal human reaction was that of Demet, “I hate him! I am happy he died!”

As if Omer forgot how he yelled at his brother only two weeks ago, “Are you a human? Do you have a heart? I will kill you!”. As if Melike also forgot how she cursed him, “Burn in hell!”, and now she is rolling over the floor, and bleating like a goat!

(5) And… oh, no! They made Tuba cry again! Enough is enough! Stop torturing the girl!

(6) Two very powerful scenes of Engin in the episode –
- “Pull together, Omer!” I think that was the right way to show the tragedy and suffering of Omer – far from other people’s sight, whispering, like a man. I really grasped his panic-stricken soul, his deadlock, his grief for his brother, his fear of future, fear for his beloved… A man who was not crying but his soul was wailing. I was touched.
- “Hug me, please!” Elif was totally absorbed by herself as usual, and cried in a loud voice to be comforted immediately, and that was too much for him. He had just felt for the first time the icy wind of death – he had realized that his brother was dead, and the murderer was probably his beloved. And he wanted just a hug, nothing more! Desperately begged for a hug, for to realize that he was still alive and still loved… Well, she didn’t hug him but… whatever.

For me episode 45 was the triumph of the perverted maniac evil. Please, do not try to convince me, that is a realistic movie that reflects the real life! No, this is the Empire of Evil, and obviously some people like being in it. Do not be angry with me, please! But I will be happy to see the script SON in June.
During the series I was convinced for sure at least for once - the word "kara" in the title was not an accident. I even think, they had to skip the others (para and ask) and to leave it as "Kara Kara Kara". Then it would have reflected the content in a more realistic way.
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Re: ВПЕЧАТЛЕНИЯ ОТ ПРОСМОТРА СЕРИЙ

#572 Сообщение marytza » 10 июл 2015, 23:53

Чътъ Пътъ с Универсала сказала "Сбогом" Йомеру Демир...

Farewell to Omer Demir
“Love is, that you are the knife which I plunge into myself.” ― Franz Kafka

We, women, are complex creatures; and so is our love. You may not agree with me on this but, when we love a man, our feelings are like a math equation with multiple variables. There are many factors that come into picture: his attitude, his intellect, his perspective on life, his education, whether he can provide safe and peaceful environment, his appearance, his family, his social and financial status, etc. This list can be expanded more. If you change one of those variables, the result of that equation, that is our feelings, can be changed dramatically, too. Even though we are considered very emotional creatures because of our motherhood instincts, we are very calculative as well. As for man, it is simpler. It is true that their sex drive is behind the wheel most of the time when they are interacting with women; however, I believe that man’s love is sincerer when he really falls in love. He can go to great lengths to show his love.

Well, the thing that triggers all these thoughts was a song that I heard at the beach from one of the near cafes a couple of days ago. Probably, most of you know the famous song “When a Man loves a Woman” by Percy Sledge. I think it is one of the most expressive songs describing a man’s love.

“When a man loves a woman
He can do no wrong
He can never own some other girl”

When I heard those words, although I wasn’t the biggest fan of Kara Para Ask (KPA), there was one scene from KPA that never left me alone during that song. I thought “Great! Aren’t you a hypocrite now, Çıtı! You kept saying that you didn’t like the series and the first thing that comes to your mind is a scene from KPA while listening to this song!” In fact, that scene has nothing in it related to those lyrics. It is neither the famous dance scene where Elif and Omer danced, losing themselves in each other’s eyes and forgetting what’s going around them, nor the scene where Omer tightly hugged Elif in the street under the falling snowflakes since he didn’t want to lose Elif after she found out that Ipek was his first fiancée. I know, I wrote how those scenes affected me in my previous commentaries. Yet, there is only one scene that is engraved in my mind and that is how Omer looked at Elif’s picture which Arda gave him while briefing him about her past in the first episode. Like all of you, I think that Engin’s eyes are always amazing and very expressive; however his looks in that scene was unique; it was cynic; yet curious and deep. I think that is one of the crucial moments of how these two people were drawn to each other.

Long time back, while I was still watching the series, I wrote an article named “Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea”. People who always follow our page may remember it. It goes like this:

“[…] I love men. They are very interesting creatures. They are not biologically and psychologically as complex as women who are driven by their hormones. Most of the time, what you see is what you get. Even though there may be some exceptions, this is generally true. Some of them are too shallow. You try to dive down, thinking that it is deep enough. However, you hit the bottom and hurt yourself. Some of them are neither too shallow nor too deep. You know that you can swim and dive safely and comfortably; there are no big surprises. Some of them are like the vast sea. You discover new things as you continue to travel. They surprise you each time. Of course, if you are not well equipped you are doomed to drown. I call the last category as “the Vast Sea” category. Your initial contact is not usually very good. Its salty water burns your throat and eyes. But, then you realize that its saltiness is what makes you stay afloat. You start thinking “Well, that’s not so bad.” So, your throat gets used to its salty taste and your eyes get used to the burning sensation. You begin to look around. All you could see is its vastness. Initially, this massiveness scares you, thinking that you won’t survive. But, you are already intrigued by the little colorful fish swimming underneath its surface. You want to discover more. Of course, you are wise enough to put your diving gear on. You don’t want to drown, do you? Then, you start diving. And the world underneath it is like something you’ve never seen before: Very colorful, very alive, and very diverse.


In Jules Vernes' book ‘Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea’, Captain Nemo says ‘The sea is everything. It covers seven tenths of the terrestrial globe. Its breath is pure and healthy. It is an immense desert, where man is never lonely, for he feels life stirring on all sides. The sea is only the embodiment of a supernatural and wonderful existence. It is nothing but love and emotion; it is the Living Infinite.’ And our Omer is the vast sea which is nothing but love and emotion despite his sarcastic and harsh façade. With Omer, you never feel lonely because he is an immense desert where you feel life pouring out from his wonderful existence. Everything about him is real and pure. When he loves, he unselfishly and generously loves with all his heart. His existence embraces you in such a way that you feel complete. And Elif is the only person clever, brave, and equipped enough to dive into this vastness and travel twenty thousand leagues under the sea. Probably, she will be amazed at every step of this journey as we do.”

Of course, when I wrote this, I didn’t know how the story would develop. But, although Omer has changed in time, I am glad that one thing has never changed about him and that is his unselfish and generous love. However, after watching Elif and Omer’s argument during Arda and Pelin’s wedding I am not so sure about whether she had the right equipment to dive into that vast sea. She seems to me that she is afraid of drowning because she forgot to bring her scuba and therefore, she prefers to drain the sea.

In the beginning of this article I told that men can go to great lengths to show their love. Omer did this many times throughout the series. And probably, he will do it again in the last episode as well by giving up his career. One thing is certain though, even if he resigns, he will be our “Captain” forever. Goodbye Omer Demir; our passionate, steadfast, headstrong, hotheaded, funny, handsome, and compassionate detective.

статья меня впечатлила, хоть я не совсем согласна с ней... думаю, Чътъ подвелась под свои прежние впечатления немножко... сама признала, что перестала следить сериал...
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Re: ВПЕЧАТЛЕНИЯ ОТ ПРОСМОТРА СЕРИЙ

#573 Сообщение элиза » 11 июл 2015, 00:40

В основном в этой статье рассуждения общие, общие рассуждения на тему, какая разница между мужчинами и женщинами в отношении к любви.
Женщины прагматичны, а мужчины более романтичны.
Резюме про Омера и Элиф
Омер- романтик , он на всё готов ради любви, даже бросить свою профессию и главная причина-
сексуальное влечение, которое управляет мужчинами прежде всего.
Любовь Омера бескорыстна и щедра и она не изменилась на протяжении всего сериала, Его любовь глубока, как море.
Элиф же боится утонуть, потому что не принесла акваланг для плавания в море , под водой, и предпочитает осушить море :-D :-D :-D
Прощай, Омер Демир; наш страстный, стойкий, упрямый, вспыльчивый, смешной, красивый, и сострадательный детектив. jkjki
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#574 Сообщение Любовь » 11 июл 2015, 09:40

Очень люблю читать посты Чити Пити...Не со всем согласна, но она любит Омера со всеми его недостатками и достоинствами...и мне это близко!!!Прощай, любимый комиссар!!! jkjki
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#575 Сообщение weta » 16 июл 2015, 17:33

Закончилась сказка под названием «Kara Para Aşk»,а может и не сказка.
И все это было как и не было.
Вчера мы помахали рукой комсару Омеру и его синьорине.
Остались позади ночные бдения по средам у экранов мониторов,возмущения и вспышки радости,разочарования и взрывы оваций,критика и рукоплескания игре героев.
Все это уже в прошлом…
Будем ли мы скучать по нашим героям?!
Кто-то скажет-ДА,а кто-то ,презрительно фыркнув,скажет –НЕТ!
Но,это было в нашей жизни почти полтора года и никто нас не тащил к экранам,значит было в этом фильме что-то,что заставляло нас пристально всматриваться в лица героев,слушать их реплики,плакать и смеятся вместе с ними,перенживать и хвататься за валерьянку,а может за более весомые антидеприсанты.
Переспав ночь,мы бросались в рассуждения и обсуждения,критиковали актеров,ругали СЦ на чем свет,значит все-таки что-то было в этом несуразном фильме с непонятным сюжетом,потерянными линия героев и потерянными героями,что нас заставляло так рьяно идти в наступление?!
Сегодня я говорю спасибо Энгину за еще одну прожитую жизнь на экране.
Слова из песни не выкинешь,как не выкинешь и прожитую роль…
Браво,Энгин!
Спасибо,Омер!
Я буду хранить воспоминания о тебе рядом с моим сумашедшим влюбленным Булутом!
С любовью ко всем вам,weta jkjki
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Заблудилась и так живу...

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#576 Сообщение marytza » 16 июл 2015, 18:06

weta писал(а):Браво,Энгин!
Спасибо,Омер!
только из за них и смотрела я, Вета... tt jkjki
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#577 Сообщение SONJA » 17 июл 2015, 08:44

weta писал(а):С любовью ко всем вам,weta
tt tt tt :bravo1:
marytza писал(а):только из за них и смотрела я, Вета...
Как и все мы Марица.. jkjki
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#578 Сообщение Мери » 17 июл 2015, 22:22

weta писал(а):Сегодня я говорю спасибо Энгину за еще одну прожитую жизнь на экране.
Слова из песни не выкинешь,как не выкинешь и прожитую роль…
Браво,Энгин!
Спасибо,Омер!
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#579 Сообщение элиза » 17 июл 2015, 22:56

Энигина назвали самым трудолюбивым из всех в составе съёмочной группы. Вы заметили, об этом говорят разные люди, с кем бы он не работал и как бы плохо не было, он всегда серьёзно относится к делу. Заранее готовится к роли и выкладывается на съёмках, к нему претензий никаких нет. Много новых людей, с которыми ему пришлось работать в этом сериале составили о нём только хорошее мнение. Он произвёл впечатление не только, как блестящий актёр, самый лучший, как всегда, актёр любого сериала, которому пришлось на себе тащить весь сериал, обременённый Бендисом, неповоротливый,нелепый по конструкции, но и как порядочный человек, который по мужски поступил, не обманул, не сбежал, не бросил, если ему и хотелось fft
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Re: ВПЕЧАТЛЕНИЯ ОТ ПРОСМОТРА СЕРИЙ

#580 Сообщение элиза » 17 июл 2015, 23:00

Самое главное, за что я благодарна этому сериалу и Энгину Акюреку,конечно то, что он оказался именно в том месте и в то время, чтобы встретиться jkjki с выдающимися представительницами нашего форума.
Это самое яркое и замечательное событие, которым запомнится сериал! :D :D :D :D
Зрители на дешёвых местах могут похлопать, остальные могут потрясти бриллиантами.


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